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	<description>Hacking Education and Technology</description>
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		<title>By: Personal Learning Environments &#124; Technology Education</title>
		<link>http://andremalan.net/blog/2009/06/26/personal-learning-environments/comment-page-1/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Personal Learning Environments &#124; Technology Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Article Personal Learning Environments by Andre Malan, shows educators the gaps that need to be filled with the way   teachers use teaching techniques. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nasser Ibrahim</title>
		<link>http://andremalan.net/blog/2009/06/26/personal-learning-environments/comment-page-1/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator>Nasser Ibrahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strongly agree with you, Students and educators can gain from the use of personal learning environments. Students still need to be motivated and want to learn in order for this to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strongly agree with you, Students and educators can gain from the use of personal learning environments. Students still need to be motivated and want to learn in order for this to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Malan</title>
		<link>http://andremalan.net/blog/2009/06/26/personal-learning-environments/comment-page-1/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre Malan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Les I agree wholeheartedly that there are hoops that students have to jump through, especially for vocational degrees. My argument though, is that the hoops need to be chosen very well and they need to be transparently justified. There also needs to be a bypass method is a sufficient counter-justification is offered. There are also different levels of requirements as I argue here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://andremalan.net/2009/03/a-problem-with-learning-outcomes/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://andremalan.net/2009/03/a-problem-with-learning-outcomes/&lt;/a&gt;

These systems have been put in place with good intentions, hopefully starting with the question &quot;what should person Z graduating with X degree from university Y know?&quot; However, there are often way too many assumptions made about person Z and there is very little flexibility when person A comes along.

Which... in a round-about way brings me back to the central thesis of this post: Don&#039;t design systems (whether they be technological, administrative or otherwise) for the masses, design them instead for individuals, with the flexibility that the diverse complexity of humanity requires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Les I agree wholeheartedly that there are hoops that students have to jump through, especially for vocational degrees. My argument though, is that the hoops need to be chosen very well and they need to be transparently justified. There also needs to be a bypass method is a sufficient counter-justification is offered. There are also different levels of requirements as I argue here: <a href="http://andremalan.net/2009/03/a-problem-with-learning-outcomes/" rel="nofollow">http://andremalan.net/2009/03/a-problem-with-learning-outcomes/</a></p>
<p>These systems have been put in place with good intentions, hopefully starting with the question &#8220;what should person Z graduating with X degree from university Y know?&#8221; However, there are often way too many assumptions made about person Z and there is very little flexibility when person A comes along.</p>
<p>Which&#8230; in a round-about way brings me back to the central thesis of this post: Don&#8217;t design systems (whether they be technological, administrative or otherwise) for the masses, design them instead for individuals, with the flexibility that the diverse complexity of humanity requires.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://andremalan.net/blog/2009/06/26/personal-learning-environments/comment-page-1/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make interesting and relevant points really gained form the student perspective.  Sure a personalised learning space is just the &#039;Personal&#039; and needs to be developed and adapted by each of us. Your post seems to ask where Higher Education is or should be headed.  Technology has an impact on this, but so to does the changing nature of the sector. Doing an Open degree, where you choose your course is fine and many institutions do just this and have done for some time.  But if you are in Higher Education for vocational reasons the surely you need to &#039;jump through all the hoops&#039;.  After all I would d not like to have a Doctor who never studied much to do with the heart because he found the nervous system more of a challenge.  The whole debate really moves around purpose and power.  Why have universities? Who determines this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make interesting and relevant points really gained form the student perspective.  Sure a personalised learning space is just the &#8216;Personal&#8217; and needs to be developed and adapted by each of us. Your post seems to ask where Higher Education is or should be headed.  Technology has an impact on this, but so to does the changing nature of the sector. Doing an Open degree, where you choose your course is fine and many institutions do just this and have done for some time.  But if you are in Higher Education for vocational reasons the surely you need to &#8216;jump through all the hoops&#8217;.  After all I would d not like to have a Doctor who never studied much to do with the heart because he found the nervous system more of a challenge.  The whole debate really moves around purpose and power.  Why have universities? Who determines this?</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://andremalan.net/blog/2009/06/26/personal-learning-environments/comment-page-1/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for learning out loud here, Andre... very helpful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for learning out loud here, Andre&#8230; very helpful!</p>
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		<title>By: Blog@UOe-L &#187; Blog Archive &#187; O que pensam os alunos dos PLE&#8217;s?</title>
		<link>http://andremalan.net/blog/2009/06/26/personal-learning-environments/comment-page-1/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog@UOe-L &#187; Blog Archive &#187; O que pensam os alunos dos PLE&#8217;s?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] neste blog as questões efectuadas e as respectivas respostas. Saudações [...]</description>
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		<title>By: camila</title>
		<link>http://andremalan.net/blog/2009/06/26/personal-learning-environments/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>camila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big reforms are n&#039;t exactly what education needs, just the current system is working to a population but we have to customize education based on our children needs its why homeschooling is a very well based solution. over a well designed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.completecurriculum.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;k-12 customized digital textbooks &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big reforms are n&#8217;t exactly what education needs, just the current system is working to a population but we have to customize education based on our children needs its why homeschooling is a very well based solution. over a well designed <a href="http://www.completecurriculum.com" rel="nofollow">k-12 customized digital textbooks </a></p>
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		<title>By: Andre Malan</title>
		<link>http://andremalan.net/blog/2009/06/26/personal-learning-environments/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre Malan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely Cindy. When I said “What students really need are small, lightweight tools to help them learn.” it was as a replacement activity for those trying to build big enterprise PLE systems.

I also agree that the most important thing that a learner can do is focus on is reflection over their learning. I learned that the hard way after writing &quot;Get Teched Up&quot; for LEAP. In my second year I focused on the tools and the results were not as good as I had hoped. These days I do it as you suggest, figure out what I want to learn, then how best to do it, then finally I find a tool. I&#039;m still not good at continually reassessing my tools to ensure that they still meet my goals, but that is my priority going forward in my learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely Cindy. When I said “What students really need are small, lightweight tools to help them learn.” it was as a replacement activity for those trying to build big enterprise PLE systems.</p>
<p>I also agree that the most important thing that a learner can do is focus on is reflection over their learning. I learned that the hard way after writing &#8220;Get Teched Up&#8221; for LEAP. In my second year I focused on the tools and the results were not as good as I had hoped. These days I do it as you suggest, figure out what I want to learn, then how best to do it, then finally I find a tool. I&#8217;m still not good at continually reassessing my tools to ensure that they still meet my goals, but that is my priority going forward in my learning.</p>
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		<title>By: cindy</title>
		<link>http://andremalan.net/blog/2009/06/26/personal-learning-environments/comment-page-1/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andre,

Nicely articulated! I have some questions for you though. You said:

&quot;What students really need are small, lightweight tools to help them learn.&quot;

While I agree that tools can be very useful to support learning - I don&#039;t think this is the place to start. I still think the most valuable thing a learner can do is take some time to reflect on our own learning goals - not the goals of the course or the institution. Sometimes these will be in sync with our personal goals - sometimes not. My point is that until we know what we want to learn - it will be difficult to make good choices about the tools that might be useful to us supporting that learning.  For example, if I want to learn how to collaborate more effectively, I need to think about what that means to me, who can help, what I need to do and (finally) what tools and approaches might support those activities. And, I agree, those of us who support students, need to be continuously reflecting on our own learning, our own goals and sharing what we&#039;ve learned about the tools and approaches we&#039;ve found useful along the way.

Thanks for your contribution to my personal learning environment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andre,</p>
<p>Nicely articulated! I have some questions for you though. You said:</p>
<p>&#8220;What students really need are small, lightweight tools to help them learn.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I agree that tools can be very useful to support learning &#8211; I don&#8217;t think this is the place to start. I still think the most valuable thing a learner can do is take some time to reflect on our own learning goals &#8211; not the goals of the course or the institution. Sometimes these will be in sync with our personal goals &#8211; sometimes not. My point is that until we know what we want to learn &#8211; it will be difficult to make good choices about the tools that might be useful to us supporting that learning.  For example, if I want to learn how to collaborate more effectively, I need to think about what that means to me, who can help, what I need to do and (finally) what tools and approaches might support those activities. And, I agree, those of us who support students, need to be continuously reflecting on our own learning, our own goals and sharing what we&#8217;ve learned about the tools and approaches we&#8217;ve found useful along the way.</p>
<p>Thanks for your contribution to my personal learning environment!</p>
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